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#1 Comment By 89’er On August 18, 2019 @ 5:53 pm

If those tweets were from Vince mcmann they would be sad.

To be from POTUS is pathetic and embarrassing.

Unfit for the office? You betcha.

The party of Lincoln is not just 154 years removed from it’s hero. It ha lost its way.

Perhaps it is time for a rebirth of the Whig Party. We can leave the white nationalists the hollow husk of the GOP.

#2 Comment By anonymous On August 18, 2019 @ 6:19 pm

89er- Very true.

But when the other option runs with people who want to pack the Court, abolish the electoral college, “free” health care for everyone, “free” college for everyone, felons in prison voting, the decriminalization of crossing the border “illegally”, the confiscation of firearms, the celebration of late term abortion,- etc. etc. then who do you vote for?

It is a race to the bottom. One that comes down to the wire.

The middle will decide as always.

I don’t believe this election will be about anything positive for the middle. Nothing moderate.

Trump wins because he brings out the worst in everyone.

#3 Comment By abl On August 18, 2019 @ 7:04 pm

anonymous –

That’s an apples to oranges comparison, and one that picks and chooses from among primary policies proposed by some of the candidates (and then mischaracterizes a number of them). The chances of all or most of those policies being part of any Democratic nominee’s eventual general election platform are vanishingly small. And the chances of even one of them actually be adopted in the event of a Democratic victory are probably nill. This is to say, if fear that all or most of the above policies will be adopted under a Democratic president is all that’s holding you back from voting for a Democratic nominee, you should absolutely vote for a Democratic nominee. If it’s not, why bring these up?

It’s also worth unpacking some of what you said. For example, there’s no real threat that any candidate is going to “abolish the electoral college”–which would require a constitutional amendment–but why would it be bad policy? I think a lot of the support for this plan is knee-jerk partisanship (it favored Republicans in the most recent election so some Democrats support it for that reason), but a lot of the opposition is also knee-jerk partisanship. See, for example, Donald Trump in 2012: “The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.” https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082. The partisan nature of the debate does not, of course, mean that the electoral college is bad policy. But it also doesn’t mean it’s good policy.

#4 Comment By fendertweed On August 19, 2019 @ 9:24 am

Always fascinating to watch mentally ill people come apart at the seams before your very eyes… Trump.

The electoral college idea and some othe dem thoughts seem supremely stupid, though barely a gnats ass compared to any random 2 or 3 Trumpian verbal/tweet diarrhea explosions.

#5 Comment By Anonymous On August 19, 2019 @ 9:57 am

Packing the Court or some version of it is something that every viable democratic candidate other than VP Biden supports. That seems insane. This threat alone, is enough to vote for tweet boy.

Does anyone blogging here support packing the Court?

#6 Comment By Anonymous On August 19, 2019 @ 10:16 am

It is hard not to notice that bloggers on ephblog avoid the very issues supported by the current democratic candidates in this primary. Where are we on the issues- not twit boys twitter feed.

Please feel free to state nuances if you have them. Otherwise, please respond only once using a common screename or anonymously:

Who here is for packing the Court?

Who here is for abolishing the Electoral College?

Who here supports free college for everyone?

Who here supports Free healthcare for life, including non citizens- for everyone?

Who here supports the ability of convicted felons- even those in prison- to have the right to vote?

Who here supports the decriminalization of crossing our borders- crossing outside of currently lawful ports of entry?

Who here supports abolishing ICE?

Who here is for the federal confiscation of semi automatic rifles and hand guns- making such guns illegal?

These are not the positions of some fringe democratic candidates. These are the positions of mainstream left wing candidates that are currently challenging Biden in the polls- and may well get the nomination.

I am for none of the above positions. This is why, as a moderate, who voted for Obama twice, I may vote for Trump- it depends on if Biden wins this nomination, and then I worry a lot about how much gas VP Biden has left in the tank.

VP Biden seems very shaky in these debates and stump speeches thus far. Does anyone disagree with this assessment?

#7 Comment By fendertweed On August 19, 2019 @ 10:51 am

Anonymous…

Calm down ….

I don’t come here for non-Williams political stuff if I can help it… so I pass on a line by line response.

Suffice it to say the Democrats seem to be doing well at maximizing #GrifterKing’s odds of re-election. They’ve already led me to conclude that I’m not a Democrat any more though I’ll never vote for the current Rs under any circumstances.

#8 Comment By anonymous On August 19, 2019 @ 11:16 am

fender- I am calm. Policy positions matter to most voters? Not you?

If you are against the above policies, or feel very strongly about any particular one, you may hold your nose and vote for Trump. Trump is not elected because everyone who votes for his is a racist. He is elected because a wide swath of voters pick the candidate whose policies they dislike the least.

That is all I am saying- that if this is a race that measures the stupid (and dangerous) policies (above) of the democrats in the field v. the stupidity and dangerous celebrity of Trump- Trump can win.

#9 Comment By anonymous On August 19, 2019 @ 11:26 am

Fender- Even if you do not vote for twitter child, the fact that you may not vote for one of the front runners still helps Don.

Low turnout/ low voting at the top of the ticket probably favors Trump.

Then we get to sit back and watch the left blame people who did not vote, or voted third party- for Dons reelection.

They Democrats will give some excuse, other than the fact that their policy positions sucked. The “everyone who does not vote for extremest left policies is a bigot” excuse.

That seems to be the latest feel, since we gave up on blaming “the Russians.”

#10 Comment By abl On August 19, 2019 @ 11:43 am

anonymous — I responded to you (or a like-minded poster above). Rather than just reposting the same misleading bit, can you respond to me?

#11 Comment By Anonymous On August 19, 2019 @ 12:22 pm

abl- ?

If you think the issues are “misleading” then you must have missed all the democratic debates thus far, or just don’t want to admit that this is what is being said, openly, by the candidates- for whatever reason.

Do you need me to post links of the candidates themselves stating these positions? Really? You seem to be up to speed…

Myself- I can’t get behind packing the Court. I don’t care who is running. There is no way in hell I am voting for that. There is no way in hell I am going to vote for weakening the judiciary.

Fact: Liz Warren favors packing the Court.

Fact: Bernie is for “rotating judges.”

Warren and Sanders are the two most competitive candidates to Biden. When it comes down to one of them v Biden, Biden may well lose this primary.

You disagree?

#12 Comment By abl On August 19, 2019 @ 12:43 pm

Again, read my above post.